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Naah, not Woodduck! He's got a new argument started with eugeneonagain. I think I really offended him when I criticized atheists.
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I like books that explain the process. Elliott Antokoletz is good, wrote a book on Bartok too. The paperback is only 8.95 
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This was a crucial release, and I have heard Frank Zappa mention it also. It was a vinyl LP:  And now is available on CD. The liner notes, by Robert Craft, are very good. This is one of the reasons I am not excited by digital file downloads: no liner notes. 
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I'm listening to ALL music lately in terms of horizontal vs. vertical. Even Beethoven and Chopin have 'modern' aspects to them if you listen in this way.
Schoenberg, even though he went 12-tone, was always a 'horizontal' thinker, like most classicists. He retained this aspect of Western tonality even in his 12-tone works.
Beethoven, if listened to in this way, becomes a somewhat mediocre melodist, with harmonic goals. It's possible to see him as 'tuned-in' harmonically, and is becomes apparent that his "forward" or horizontal momentum is maintained rhythmically, and has less to do with 'goals' or narrative devices. Many of his 'melodies' are simple rhythmic fragments which are repeated and sequenced.
Beethoven, when seen this way, seems to be 'standing still' in a way.
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I can see why many listeners are flummoxed, but don't get in a kerfluffle about them. There are some basic "givens" you need to know in order to listen intelligently to serial works. But even so, the music is accessible on a very basic level, without any forethought. I think what is necessary is for the listener to "clear his mind" of habits and preconceptions about music. Not an easy task, even if you love music of all kinds.
The one word which I would use to best describe most serial music is: Sensuousness Just like Renaissance music and late romantic impressionism, it's got that serene, almost sexual, exotic flavor that should be very apparent by the second listening of a piece. It differs from composer to composer obviously (as for instance, Babbitt sounds nothing like Stockhausen or Boulez, who sound nothing like Wuorinen) but it is a common shared aesthetic thread. Structure and form isn't hard to follow too (unless you want to break it down in the same way as Bach), contrast is the crux of all music, it should be no surprise that element gets exploited in serial music. The thing that pissed me off all the time, whether it's online or at lectures; is how controversial Schoenberg is treated. He WAS and always will be a romantic composer, who happened to invent the 12 tone system and apply to his romantic music. Schoenberg for instance, is elevator music compared to Stockhausen's (sometimes) polarizing, ambitious, extreme soundworlds 
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Wanna see Allan Holsworth almost cry? Look at this touching video at about 18:50. I loved both of these artists dearly. https://youtu.be/_TSgFJ2EuA4
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My favorite bands are "the three B's": The Beatles, The Byrds, and The Beach Boys. Been listening to "Pet Sounds" lately. Other core favorites: Spirit, King Crimson (coming in October to Austin), Forever More (very obscure), Jeff Beck, Cream, Hendrix, Allman Brothers, Donovan, Led Zep, Yardbirds, John Mayall, Rolling Stones, Soft Machine, Henry Cow, Eno, Talking Heads, The Fugs, Zappa, Gentle Giant, Humble Pie, Peter Frampton, The Faces, The Small Faces, The Who, The Nice, ELP, Jethro Tull, Procol Harum, Quatermass (another obscurity), and more.
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Right now, my music production is on hold, as my computer, a Power Mac G5 (early 2005) is on the fritz, with a bad logic board. It still records, but it has a distracting transparent grid around the mouse cursor and icons, due to a bad VRAM chip on the logic (mother) board.
So, I'm going to upgrade to a newer computer I found in a pawn shop, a Mac Pro Quad-core 3.3 Ghz Xeon. It already has 2 solid-state drives in it, and 16 Gigs of RAM. Layaway, for $450, which is cheaper than getting the old one fixed. I'll also need to go to a higher version of Logic Pro 7, like 9 or 10. Wish me luck! I should have it by December.
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The first Penderecki I heard, back in 1972, and "imprinted" on like a baby goose, was this recording, still available as a CD-R. 
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Lou Harrison, especially in this movement, is making what I call "vertical" music. This kind of music has no horizontal goal like in Mozart, etc, but seems to "float" in a timeless sonority. This is common in later jazz, like John Coltrane. For more on verticality, see George Russell's "Lydian Chromatic Concept." Just search on You Tube for several good videos by Pebber Brown, PHD.
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Hello, I'm millionrainbows
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Music of an alien?????
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Tips For Serial Writing For A Monophonic Instrument
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Serialism
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I'm an old Classic Rock dude
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